Comments on: Ape rights and wrongs http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/ Mountain Gorilla Protection Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:35:21 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Samantha Baker http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-734 Samantha Baker Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:57:33 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-734 I completely agree with you, Ian. It makea total sense to me if we, as the human race provide our technical "brothers and sisters" with the same rights as our own selves. However, may i make a suggestion? Might you try to relate to more and all audiances by, say, bringing pictures of a common human being and a common great ape, and show them to the audiance, you would encourage people to donate, volunteer, and more importantly, understand. By understand, i mean they would understand the important link between human beings and great apes. For those of the american race that belive the scientific explaination for the human race (like myself), they would really feel a connection to their ancestors, the great apes (not applied to everyone) and relize what an important link they are to everyone. I completely agree with you, Ian. It makea total sense to me if we, as the human race provide our technical “brothers and sisters” with the same rights as our own selves. However, may i make a suggestion? Might you try to relate to more and all audiances by, say, bringing pictures of a common human being and a common great ape, and show them to the audiance, you would encourage people to donate, volunteer, and more importantly, understand. By understand, i mean they would understand the important link between human beings and great apes. For those of the american race that belive the scientific explaination for the human race (like myself), they would really feel a connection to their ancestors, the great apes (not applied to everyone) and relize what an important link they are to everyone.

]]> By: divakarssathya http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-727 divakarssathya Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:10:07 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-727 I absolutely adore our great apes and other wild and pet life. I salute the work you folks do and frankly envy you. As somebody who is a rather hapless legatee of the exquisite traditions of cow worship ie worship of the loving, the productive, the meek, I can sense how we are so so off balance. Morally hanging upside down in our worship of destruction and dominance. If you ask me, apes and other non human species must have ancestral rights and territories. Of course, we have to relook our ideas of modernity. May I welcome you and your esteemed visitors to visit and participate at: Yet another “conspiracy in corruption” Andhra Pradesh High Court’s Pernicious Rebellion Against The Law .05/29/09 RTI Act 2005 Abuse In Andhra Pradesh- SIC Cheats! Chief Secretary Lies!05/07/09 Prejudiced CIC Laps Up PMO Lies 05/05/09 Divakar S Natarajan and Varun Gandhi Cannot Both Be Wrong ! 01/28/09 And India’s editorial class will not report the story! sathyagraha.blogspot.com News and views from Divakar S Natarajan’s, “no excuses”, ultra peaceful, non partisan, individual sathyagraha against corruption and for the idea of the rule of law in India. Now in its 18th year. Any struggle against a predatory authority is humanity’s struggle to honour the gift of life. I absolutely adore our great apes and other wild and pet life. I salute the work you folks do and frankly envy you.

As somebody who is a rather hapless legatee of the exquisite traditions of cow worship ie worship of the loving, the productive, the meek, I can sense how we are so so off balance.

Morally hanging upside down in our worship of destruction and dominance.

If you ask me, apes and other non human species must have ancestral rights and territories.

Of course, we have to relook our ideas of modernity.

May I welcome you and your esteemed visitors to visit and participate at:

Yet another “conspiracy in corruption”

Andhra Pradesh High Court’s Pernicious Rebellion Against The Law .05/29/09

RTI Act 2005 Abuse In Andhra Pradesh- SIC Cheats! Chief Secretary Lies!05/07/09

Prejudiced CIC Laps Up PMO Lies 05/05/09 Divakar S Natarajan and Varun Gandhi Cannot Both Be Wrong ! 01/28/09

And India’s editorial class will not report the story!
 sathyagraha.blogspot.com

News and views from Divakar S Natarajan’s, “no excuses”, ultra peaceful, non partisan, individual sathyagraha against corruption and for the idea of the rule of law in India. Now in its 18th year.

Any struggle against a predatory authority is humanity’s struggle to honour the gift of life.

]]> By: Dad Mallins http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-728 Dad Mallins Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:16:49 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-728 I watched this programme on Sunday 26th and was full of admiration for Ian Redmond,constantly having to fly in the face of adversity in a rare and most unusual debate for a SUNDAY MORNING! Also having a good (Scottish) presenter who had to keep a finely tuned balance was also absolutely essential in order to have the best overview.Another similar debate would be welcome in the near future to keep the momentum going!! I watched this programme on Sunday 26th and was full of admiration for Ian Redmond,constantly having to fly in the face of adversity in a rare and most unusual debate for a SUNDAY MORNING! Also having a good (Scottish) presenter who had to keep a finely tuned balance was also absolutely essential in order to have the best overview.Another similar debate would be welcome in the near future to keep the momentum going!!

]]> By: Invictus_88 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-733 Invictus_88 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:31:35 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-733 But we can't even safeguard these rights for humans. Seems a bit premature to go giving human rights to nonhuman hominids. Would it perhaps be less controversial - and so more successful - to simply push for greater protection laws? But we can’t even safeguard these rights for humans. Seems a bit premature to go giving human rights to nonhuman hominids.

Would it perhaps be less controversial – and so more successful – to simply push for greater protection laws?

]]> By: Amy http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-732 Amy Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:46:13 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-732 But I should add -- YES, I agree that apes should have human rights!! But I should add — YES, I agree that apes should have human rights!!

]]> By: Anna M http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-731 Anna M Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:13:18 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-731 Agree, very well put but I do believe that we, the human population in general (not all) are not quite yet ready to speak in such specific terms but we are moving towards it and one day it will happen. In meantime as was said we should focus on the educational aspect, raise awareness and conserve their habitat…. Unfortunately as long as we humans don’t grant each other these rights around the world it will be an uphill struggle to give these our closes cousins the same respect as so many of us knows they deserve... Agree, very well put but I do believe that we, the human population in general (not all) are not quite yet ready to speak in such specific terms but we are moving towards it and one day it will happen. In meantime as was said we should focus on the educational aspect, raise awareness and conserve their habitat…. Unfortunately as long as we humans don’t grant each other these rights around the world it will be an uphill struggle to give these our closes cousins the same respect as so many of us knows they deserve…

]]> By: Anna M http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-729 Anna M Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:12:26 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-729 Agree, very well put but I do believe that we, the human population in general (not all) are not quite yet ready to speak in such specific terms but we are moving towards it and one day it will happen. In meantime as was said we should focus on the educational aspect, raise awareness and conserve their habitat…. Unfortunately as long as we humans don’t grant each other these rights around the world it will be an uphill struggle to give these our closes cousins the same respect as so many of us knows they deserve.. Agree, very well put but I do believe that we, the human population in general (not all) are not quite yet ready to speak in such specific terms but we are moving towards it and one day it will happen. In meantime as was said we should focus on the educational aspect, raise awareness and conserve their habitat…. Unfortunately as long as we humans don’t grant each other these rights around the world it will be an uphill struggle to give these our closes cousins the same respect as so many of us knows they deserve..

]]> By: paula http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-730 paula Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:22:04 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-730 Hi Iain, great post. I agree with apes getting human rights, I tweeted this story and so far one person also agrees! Hi Iain, great post. I agree with apes getting human rights, I tweeted this story and so far one person also agrees!

]]> By: Anna M http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-725 Anna M Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:50:31 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-725 Agree, very well put but I do believe that we, the human population in general (not all) are not quite yet ready to speak in such specific terms but we are moving towards it and one day it will happen. In meantime as was said we should focus on the educational aspect, raise awareness and conserve their habitat…. Unfortunately as long as we humans don't grant each other these rights around the world it will be an uphill struggle to give these our closes cousins the same respect as so many of us knows they deserve.. Agree, very well put but I do believe that we, the human population in general (not all) are not quite yet ready to speak in such specific terms but we are moving towards it and one day it will happen. In meantime as was said we should focus on the educational aspect, raise awareness and conserve their habitat…. Unfortunately as long as we humans don’t grant each other these rights around the world it will be an uphill struggle to give these our closes cousins the same respect as so many of us knows they deserve..

]]> By: Amy http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-726 Amy Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:04:14 +0000 http://gorilla.wildlifedirect.org/2009/07/30/ape-rights-and-wrongs/#comment-726 This is a very interesting post, since I agree that the term "animal rights" can turn people off, people who may not understand what it means. Jane Goodall solved this problem for me: It's not about animal rights, it's about (and I may be slightly paraphrasing here) human responsibility for the world (including animals) around us. That we human animals must become as aware as possible of the ramifications of our choices and actions. I think saying animal rights puts some people on the defensive. When you switch the argument to the question of How do I affect the world around me, I think it makes for a more workable discussion. This is a very interesting post, since I agree that the term “animal rights” can turn people off, people who may not understand what it means. Jane Goodall solved this problem for me: It’s not about animal rights, it’s about (and I may be slightly paraphrasing here) human responsibility for the world (including animals) around us. That we human animals must become as aware as possible of the ramifications of our choices and actions. I think saying animal rights puts some people on the defensive. When you switch the argument to the question of How do I affect the world around me, I think it makes for a more workable discussion.

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